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Re: {Mobile Portland} Great Article from John Gilmore

Google Groups Posts - Tue, 04/13/2010 - 13:00
Thank you, Elia. I was finding the banter between geeks who don't get it a little tedious.
-Ron

Re: {Mobile Portland} Great Article from John Gilmore

Google Groups Posts - Tue, 04/13/2010 - 13:00
I've been thinking about your post this morning, Mounir, and think you
are wrong. I think history is actually on Apple's side. (And
Microsoft's apparently as they are planning on the same closed store
infrastructure for Win Phone 7.)
At the turn of the 20th century you had to be very wealthy and a
tinkerer to own an automobile. Most layman owned horses and they were

Re: {Mobile Portland} Great Article from John Gilmore

Google Groups Posts - Tue, 04/13/2010 - 13:00
I hope that apple is listing to their community, so that we can all make
money and sing *Kumbayah *together.
Seen this
[link]
Jeff [?]

Re: {Mobile Portland} Great Article from John Gilmore

Google Groups Posts - Tue, 04/13/2010 - 13:00
You mean Apples and *Lemons*, right?
Bah bum bum...

Re: {Mobile Portland} Great Article from John Gilmore

Google Groups Posts - Tue, 04/13/2010 - 13:00
Ha ha... finally, something in this thread worth reading!

Re: {Mobile Portland} Great Article from John Gilmore

Google Groups Posts - Tue, 04/13/2010 - 13:00
I just came up with a great joke:
Comparing Apple to GM is like comparing APPLES AND ORANGES. Ha! I just
made that up!
High Five,
Calvin

Re: {Mobile Portland} Great Article from John Gilmore

Google Groups Posts - Tue, 04/13/2010 - 13:00
I hope your are correct but Bear-sterns, GM, lehman brothers. What
about Microsoft?
Bear Stearns and Lehman Brothers had an enormous proportion of their
"value" invested in worthless bonds and financial instruments. GM's
been in financial trouble for decades; they had massive closings of
production plants in the '80s.

Re: {Mobile Portland} Great Article from John Gilmore

Google Groups Posts - Tue, 04/13/2010 - 13:00
I hope your are correct but Bear-sterns, GM, lehman brothers. What about
Microsoft?
BTW, Our company has not stopped developing on the iPhone platform. we are
just moving our effort to what is providing us the most money at this time
and that is developing a system that is not dependent on the Appstore for

Re: {Mobile Portland} Great Article from John Gilmore

Google Groups Posts - Tue, 04/13/2010 - 13:00
I'm having trouble understanding what part of your pitch couldn't run in an HTML5 webkit browser on any platform? Apple wouldn't let Google Voice onto their platform, so within a month Google Voice was running in webkit.
Unless your app requires a really high level of security, in which case businesses would distribute it through the enterprise apps system, which sidesteps Apple's approval.

Re: {Mobile Portland} Great Article from John Gilmore

Google Groups Posts - Tue, 04/13/2010 - 13:00
LOL, I normally win at Craps. :')

Re: {Mobile Portland} Great Article from John Gilmore

Google Groups Posts - Tue, 04/13/2010 - 13:00
Beautifully pessimistic of you. After all, some day, the sun will burn
out. When that happens, boy, will we all look silly for having this
conversation :-) (Just teasing.)
Elia

Re: {Mobile Portland} Great Article from John Gilmore

Google Groups Posts - Tue, 04/13/2010 - 13:00
Elia, Good article and very good point. I still like to cover my bets. But
I like to play craps and believe if you only pay the pass line you will
lose.
Just my strategy :'),
Jeff

Re: {Mobile Portland} Great Article from John Gilmore

Google Groups Posts - Tue, 04/13/2010 - 13:00
Elia, Some it just takes longer to fail. I prefer to hedge.
Jeff

Re: {Mobile Portland} Great Article from John Gilmore

Google Groups Posts - Tue, 04/13/2010 - 12:00
Actually, small companies need to focus and place bets. If you are developing products of substance with legs aimed at large market opportunities, I disagree that products focused on one platform will fail sooner or later. Some of us bet right -- say on Windows in the mid-90s -- and some of us bet wrong -- say on Palm in the late 90s. I actually wrote about that this week on my blog:

Re: {Mobile Portland} Great Article from John Gilmore

Google Groups Posts - Tue, 04/13/2010 - 12:00
Good point on the "cydia" world. I spoke to a company yesterday that
utilizes WIFI only for app to get around some issues. The point is there
may be ways to work around the agreement. My suggestion is use Android,
(sorry) but I understand if you are a C programmer this could be a hurtle.
We develop on both platforms so not to get boxed in by the whims of a

Re: {Mobile Portland} Great Article from John Gilmore

Google Groups Posts - Tue, 04/13/2010 - 12:00
There are two main issues with your opinion. First; the times where Jobs was
not at the wheel, Apple suffered a recession. Jobs was ran off for a few of
years before they asked him to come back. during that time, he created
"pixar" and "NEXT". next gave way to openstep. NEXT and Jobs were
assimilated into Apple and NextOS became the base code for OSX. Darwin is an

Re: {Mobile Portland} Great Article from John Gilmore

Google Groups Posts - Tue, 04/13/2010 - 12:00
I know Apple is extremely popular around here, so this might be the
wrong place to criticize them :) But I can't think of any other
company that is so against external innovation as Apple. I can be
wrong on this, but I cannot envision this decade going well for Apple.
Their desire to control their customers and developers is doomed to

Re: {Mobile Portland} Great Article from John Gilmore

Google Groups Posts - Tue, 04/13/2010 - 12:00
Wow, As Broadband become more ubiquitous, the silo apps will become mute.
Browser based cloud apps will become the norm.
Jeff

Great Article from John Gilmore

Google Groups Posts - Tue, 04/13/2010 - 11:00
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